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Re: Anyone good with power steps? HELP!

Posted: October 8th, 2018, 7:54 am
by Dano
Update as I go...

The four pin connector resides at the back corner, rear right or passenger side, below the ladder. They run the wiring up and over a tank towards the driver’s side. EXCEPT, that if you look over the tank, they turned the wire back towards you and up though the wall cavity, just in front of the tail light. I added a piece of green tape so you can see which loom it is that goes up. One photo is the inside cavity through the carbon monoxide detector hole. At this point, the wiring comes up in a few holes and splits in two directions, one behind the microwave and one over the door. Need to determine which wires are which...stay tuned...Dano
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Re: Anyone good with power steps? HELP!

Posted: October 8th, 2018, 7:58 am
by Dano
View through the carbon monoxide detector hole and behind the microwave
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Re: Anyone good with power steps? HELP!

Posted: October 8th, 2018, 8:53 am
by Dano
This is EXACTLY why I hate electrical. Anyone looking for an electrical issue, ALWAYS pay attention to factory looms that have all sorts of electrical tape that has been added in the general area of your problem. Cut it away less than a foot from the connector and this is what was there. After looking for a yellow, brow, green and red loom, the actual colours are two red lines, and orange and a yellow! So the red line is red, the other red line is white, the orange line is black and the yellow line is yellow. So, after spending an hour looking for the wrong wires. I have located a run of two red wires taped together with one yellow wire that goes across the top of the door and comes out of the hole in the wall behind the carbon monoxide tester, see image with the arrow. Need to trace this forward to see if it is actually correct or not.....Dano

Re: Anyone good with power steps? HELP!

Posted: October 8th, 2018, 9:06 am
by Dano
Well, three wires, two red and one yellow over the door go around behind the bathroom I think and come out above the kitchen sink behind the wiring chase and forward to the driver seat area. Need to try and test these lines to see if they do anything. I am going on the assumption they are routed towards the fuses up front and the fact that all 3 wires are taped together in multiple locations and came out of the hole that goes towards the actual connector, they all fit the correct gauge or wire below, no idea if it's right or not but I guess we'll see...

Re: Anyone good with power steps? HELP!

Posted: October 8th, 2018, 9:26 am
by Dano
The wires between the overhead chase, behind a panel and come out into the bulkhead over the drivers head, turn right and go down. One good possible indication is that one red wire has a piece of tape on it which matches the piece of tape at the connector at the back suggesting it is the power wire...see photos...I'm sure hoping that lone yellow wire is the one I am looking for...

Re: Anyone good with power steps? HELP!

Posted: October 8th, 2018, 9:51 am
by Blue~Go
Note: Looks like you might not need this post now. I'll leave it just in case it helps anyone else, but I think you are a "step" ahead of it now :D

*****

Just got in from bringing a hot cup of coffee and a homemade cinammon roll out to my manual step. Just kidding, but I can feel your pain! One time I had just gotten a cargo trailer and was about to set out on a journey. Hooked up to the Chinook in the storage bay and all the lights checked out (Hallmark cargo trailer, which has like TWENTY-EIGHT running lights/tail light/license plate light). Headed out without the lights on as it was broad daylight, then around 6 p.m. (in the middle of the Mohave, no services in a jillion miles) turned on my lights. Buddy following me was like hmmm, no trailer lights and NO TAILLIGHTS on the Chinook. (Also no marker lights on the Chinook which was a big clue, but I digress.)

Now, we could have pressed on with him following me and eliminated most of the worry, but dangit, my Chinook was *broken* and I wanted if fixed!

We had pulled into a rest area and had to go in the truck section as we were both driving RV's and towing too. It was packed. I seriously had to have him guard my legs (that were sticking out as I dove under the rig) to make sure no semis ran over it. The parking was a bit of a free-for-all in the "non-designated" spaces.

I already knew from when I had originally wired my trailer hookup (years ago) that Chinook had used the Ford trailer light fixture to power the Chinook taillights (I know, :roll: ). But the marker lights weren't working either?! I hunted and groveled in the gravel with a headlamp on, increasingly vexed. Eventually I remembered the "Marker lights" fuse position in the Chinook-added fuse box under the dash. Aha, that fuse was blown (not to surprising as I think it is 7.5 amp and it was powering all the incandescent marker lights on the Chinook, the taillights on the Chinook, and all the lights on the trailer (also incandescent). But how were these connected?! (I had towed another trailer successfully for years but that had LED lights and not so many.)

Long story short, Chinook used the Ford trailer harness for the taillights (and of course it also powered the trailer lights) (so that's one run of relatively skinny wire from front to back of the rig), THEN they ran a wire (skinny) from there up along the driver's side frame rail, through the driver's stepwell (under the black step insert), and to the Marker light fuse (so that's a second long, long run), THEN they ran that wire back to the rear marker lights (so that's the THIRD super long skinny run). Oh please. So no way could I just put in a larger fuse. But at least I had the problem figured out.

What I did for that night was remove about half of the "marker lights" on the trailer (they were sort of click-out cartridges), and that got it below the threshold and through my drive. Then I ordered all LED replacement lights for the trailer (which I wanted anyway). At that point it was below the 7.5 amp threshhold and all was fine (interestingly, on the Amazon review page for the LED trailer lights, were many other people with Hallmark trailers wherein the monstrous number of incandescent marker lights had blow their car's trailer light fuse).

Another option would be to re-wire with thicker wire and perhaps eliminate two of the long runs by putting the marker light fuse at the rear (well-labeled!), but the LED light solution also works.

Anyway, so you have traced the wire to going around behind the shower. Then in my experience (have had my Chinook somewhat down to the bones) the wire will run up along the chase that is above/behind the upper couch cabinets. When it gets to the TV area I can think of two options: Down the pillar and then somehow into the cab (but I have no seen any other wires do this; they have either been underneath the coach and gone through the stepwell, or have gone in above the cab), or up the pillar and into the cab via the Ford hole in the chassis cab. I don't have the electric step, but they did run the wires in similar fashion to get to the generator start in the over-the-driver switch panel in the overhead (but on the passenger side).

Not saying you need to do this, but to visualize: If you remove the pillar, then you see that Chinook completely kept the chassis cab as delivered by Ford (which I kind of like for strength). Thus there is a white metal Ford flange on each side that runs up from floor to ceiling. It kind of "wraps around" so that it's running perpendicular to the outside walls. This flange (one on each side of rig) has a hole right up near the corner where it turns to make the Ford cab roof. A bundle of wires go into this hole on the driver's side (I forget now what they are all for, most are Ford I think). A smaller bundle goes in the hole on the passenger side (including Chinook speaker wire, generator start wire, and a couple of others). I *think* these all or mostly run to the headliner, but maybe one goes to the ignition cue for the step? Is there any override switch or anything in the headliner as a stepping stone?

Otherwise, there are some wires that go through that cabinet wire chase, then down the pillar and out through a hole in the floor (that is behind the pillar). If so you might find the wires running along under the black plastic cab stepwell cover.

The pillar is kind of a bear to remove, but thanks to some description by a member here (augh, why can't I remember his name, New Mexico member), I was able to do it. Holler back if you are going to remove the pillar and we can give some tips. If you don't obviously find the wire in the driver step area, or the overhead cab panel area, pillar removal might help you to see everything.

BG

Re: Anyone good with power steps? HELP!

Posted: October 8th, 2018, 10:25 am
by Dano
Thanks for the reply Blue, I was just in the middle of doing exactly as you suggested. I unwrapped the entire loom in the foot well all the way up to the secondary fuse box (Chinook installed I think) where the line connects to the top right fuse location but it gets no power. The fuse, taken out and tried in another location in the left fuse box, tests and works okay. I don't think I am getting any power to the right side of any of those fuses. One left side, a fuse will test fine but no power it seems on the right.

Looking at the schematic in my owner's manual shows that the rear view mirror, power mirrors, Beverage Mate cup holders and the driving lights are all powered off the right side fuse box. The rear view mirror and power mirrors are not working all of a sudden and they did work before. Can't comment on the Beverage Mates since I don't have them or the driving lights but when I turn that switch on, no power at the fuse box.

There HAS to be some kind of breaker or fuse that powers this side of the box, does anyone know where that is or am I barking up the wrong tree?

Re: Anyone good with power steps? HELP!

Posted: October 8th, 2018, 1:05 pm
by Blue~Go
Aha, so in other words, where does Chinook get the power that runs to the right bank of that fuse block? So even though there is no "steps" fuse there, they must be connected somehow. That might be similar to how my electric dump valves were powered. Likewise there was no fuse called out, and likewise they had an ignition-must-be-on component to them (I have removed them but never found exactly where the wires originated).

So it must be the ignition-activated part that makes it different than some of the other things (I mean, they are not "hot" but they don't have an ignition-activated "function" like the steps). So how does that block get its power? Of course, that's in the very most fun area to poke around..... if you are the size of a gecko :roll:

Naturally the drawing of that Chinook fuse block doesn't even give a hint as to where the power comes from.

Say do you have a fuse in the lower left position? I notice that on my era diagram that shows as an available (empty) slot that is a pre-wired "ignition hot tap." It shows it as a red 14 gauge wire with a 7.5 amp fuse.

Re: Anyone good with power steps? HELP!

Posted: October 8th, 2018, 1:15 pm
by Dano
There is a fuse there in that location and it will turn my light probe on when I touch the fuse and ground the other end. The top fuse on the left is for the marker lights which do not light the probe until the headlight switch is turned on and then the probe will work when touching the fuse. Both perfect. The right side has nothing. I even tested the right side fuses on the lower left location you mention and they all test fine with the light. I must have blown something when screwing around with the steps I would surmise because the rear view mirror and power mirrors both worked just a short time ago. Not coincidental that my yellow wire that doesn't work that I am guessing goes to the right side, the rear view mirror and power mirrors are all not working and are all powered by the right side. this thing is really beating me up, however I think I am at the right location just don't know where to go from here. ANY suggestions or thoughts?....As you say "where does Chinook get the power that runs to the right bank of that fuse block? " Is there any chance there would be a fuse inside the seat belt tower/cover beside the drivers seat?...Dano

Re: Anyone good with power steps? HELP!

Posted: October 8th, 2018, 1:50 pm
by Dano
Blue;
Does it make sense to you that the left fuse block is powered from another source if it works and the right side doesn't? Doesn't that infer they are not connected or are separate from one another?. Could current come into the left side, travel out to something like a low voltage disconnect and then BACK to the right side fuse block? I am making the assumption that since they are beside each other, they are wired one, then two, then on their merry ways. I'm starting to realize how little I know about electrical...Dano